Table Saw: delta unisaw vs sawstop

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  • November 16, 2016 12:06 PM
    Message # 4395581

    CPO is running a sale; delta 3HP saw for $2340 delivered to MA.  This is at least $550 less than a similar sawstop (assuming i were to pick SS up in NH without any shipping charge).  The online reviews comparing the two are pretty old-- sometimes 6 years old.  Anybody at EMGW want to weigh in with advice?    I've been planning on upgrading this winter and was thinking of SS because of the safety features and because it is highly regarded overall, but unisaw seems to be the old gold standard, and the price difference today appears to be significant.

    Last modified: November 17, 2016 8:41 AM | Andrew Davis
  • November 17, 2016 7:04 AM
    Reply # 4397335 on 4395581
    Jim Tartaglia (Administrator)

    I have a Delta Unisaw and I love it.  When I was shopping all the reviews compared whatever else to the Delta so I decided to spend a little more and get the Delta.  I don't know much about Sawstop except that it prevents you from cutting your finger but I thought the biggest hazard on the table saw was kickback of the workpiece and I don't know if Sawstop prevents that.  As for cutting your finger I have found that keeping them away from the blade prevents that.

  • November 17, 2016 7:55 AM
    Reply # 4397357 on 4395581
    Deleted user
    I hope that was a typo and it's 3 hp, not 3 ph (phase). I would be surprised if you want to rewire your shop for 3 phase. I have and love my Unisaw. Although the finger saving technology is great, it's the riving knife in the Sawstop that would, to me, be important. It reduces the potential for kick-back. Perhaps the new Unisaws have roving knives these days? Mine is 10 years old and does not.
  • November 17, 2016 7:55 AM
    Reply # 4397358 on 4395581
    Deleted user
    I hope that was a typo and it's 3 hp, not 3 ph (phase). I would be surprised if you want to rewire your shop for 3 phase. I have and love my Unisaw. Although the finger saving technology is great, it's the riving knife in the Sawstop that would, to me, be important. It reduces the potential for kick-back. Perhaps the new Unisaws have roving knives these days? Mine is 10 years old and does not.
  • November 17, 2016 10:14 AM
    Reply # 4397493 on 4395581

    I used a Powermatic 66 for about 15 years in my home shop.  When I moved to Brooksby, they had a SawStop.  I have now used it for about three years and can find nothing negative regarding it's accuracy.  There is no discount on SawStop, but you might negotiate a substantial discount on additional equipment to circumvent the fixed price.

    I have only one issue with the SawStop.  You have to change the cartridge when you want to use an 8" dado set.  This takes time.  But we have had a couple of finger saves here, so it's worth it.  And the 10" cartridge won't work with a 10" dado set.  We had a class in a shop in Concord a couple of years ago and there were two SawStops–one for normal cutting and one for dado blades.  I now know why.

  • November 17, 2016 1:27 PM
    Reply # 4397919 on 4395581
    Deleted user

    I would only buy a sawstop. I have one at home, 2 at school. If it were an old Unisaw, pre 1980s, that's one thing, but if you're. Using new, get the sawstop. Your fingers are wor more than $600. Especially if you have kids or grandkids who will use the saw someday  


    Not to mention delta isn't what it was. The only saw on the market to consider, imho, is a sawstop. 


    Also, there's a sale a few times a year when Sawstop offers either a mobile base or overarm dust collection fitting for free. Rockler in NH stocks he professional saw in a few sizes, so it's tax free, no shipping if you can pick it up, or have a friend go with you to pick it up. 

  • November 18, 2016 6:28 AM
    Reply # 4399155 on 4395581
    Deleted user

    When I was looking, the SS was about $1000 more than I really wanted to spend, but then I thought.... How cheap is a $100/finger insurance policy?

    Bill

  • November 18, 2016 9:10 AM
    Reply # 4399305 on 4395581
    Saw stop all the way, the new unisaw are net very well made anymore. 

    15 or more year old unisaw are significantly better than the current ones. 


    550 is cheaper than a hospital visit 


    The 5hp mobile base is fantastic 

    Last modified: November 18, 2016 9:11 AM | Dana Farmer
  • November 19, 2016 7:19 AM
    Reply # 4400793 on 4395581

    I have been reviewing the choices to replace my 30 year old Jet contractors style table saw that I have adapted with every accessory I could find to improve on it. But it doesn't have a riving knife!

    Important areas to consider, a riving knife that moves with the blade; point of manufacture of the saw assembly and electric motor; customer service, and dust port lay out to fit in your shop.

    Almost all modern electric motors are made in either Mexico, China, or Taiwan. I'll go with Taiwan, trust me, after 20 years as an International Sourcing Procurement Manager I've been to and seen a enough of them all.

    Where the major components of the saw are cast and machined is also important. Take a straight edge and check the top. Is it flat? Is it flat to the wings? Take a good look at the drive belt system, comparisons are stark.

    I want to lean toward the Sawstop, but a couple of things are holding me back. The carriage assembly for Dado work, the wing extensions are composite materials, dust port layout, and an extra $450.00 for 220vt motor.

    If you are paying attention, and using your push sticks and feather boards correctly, your fingers should never get in harms way. As for passing it on to children or grand children, I'm assuming my new saw will be worn out and the newest technologies will be in place. 

    I'm still looking,

    Jim Allen 

     

     

     

     

  • November 20, 2016 8:34 AM
    Reply # 4402079 on 4395581

    After I bought my saw stop, I was curious about the change over time so i used a stop watch. The second time i ever changed a cartridge between dado and regular took me about 90 seconds.  

    about my only real beef with the 3hp saw stop is making new inserts are much more annoying. other more minor beefs are. The factory mobile base has the 2 fixed and 1 rotating caster syndrome so its hard to manuver in my very narrow shop.  The 5HP base is a much better system

    the other and i think this true with all biesemeyer style fences is you can flex the fence if you put too much pressure.
    Also the riving knife is far better than current powermatics system. 


    saw stop has amazing customer service. At the frame shop we thought the motor died, and they walked us through replacing the brushes etc. that wasn't the problem so they figured the motor was bad.  becaseu of the many conversations and having a shop with 5 people unable to really work. on their dime they shipped a brand new motor 2 day air from the west coast to MA.  Turns out the problem was a break in one of the cables inside the saw. 

    contrast that with newer powermatic. a saw went down and needed a new motor, they didn't have any in stock in the US or taiwan, so we had to wait because that was a really oddball motor mount. in the 2 years at school 3 powermatic motors went down hard and had to be replaced or rewound.




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